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Post by dragonlord7012 on Feb 5, 2016 23:31:32 GMT
Grendel nodded. He didn't think the system was overly complicated, but then again the Gurd tend to do well with complicated systems, as they attempt to get through things as quickly as possible. Allready the length of the meeting was chaifing him.
Eyes rapidly reading through the revised version and unaware of the conversation taking place between Elon and Firetooth he spoke up.
"For your own reforms, I can get behind standardized currency, but all nations must be able to meet that standard individually. If say the Gurd where the only ones minting viable coin, it would stand to reason that we would automatically be the richest nation among the alliance as only our coins would be considered valid.
I had not intended to imply that the small tolls and charges inherent to a route would not be charged, but i was only referring to any extra onus placed by the government on a group of merchants beyond the regular scope. Your first section is otherwise coincise, " he said approvingly.
"The second article was made by design to allow someone to join the NTA, and not have to pay any fees if they choose to never borrow back from it. It was as high as it was for the same reason, It is less likley someone will leave if they have a large fee to entry, you criticize it for acting as a "bank" in a sense. But a Bank is a useful institution. You loose that benefit with this rendition, and some will be put off that they must pay a thousand gold every season for a privileges they have no interest. Speaking of which, If you compound interest as it seems you would propose, you could very quicly pauper a nation with ongoing charges." he said, and sipped his tea. Frowing as it it had gone cold so he downed it quickly, to get a warmer cup before continuing, most of the diplomats having finished reading by this point.
"I'd originally included that funds can only be borrowed for trade purposes to keep it from being bankrupted as you so claimed. Freely allowing funds seems counter to that goal. "The direct funding of war and the training of troupes" So if i borrow money to purchase a new masonry and make troops the same season with my newly freed up funds, is it funding tropes or not? Is a castle a reasonable expense to borrow for? How about a church, whose priest will ride with armies to keep up their moral? The items I listed all had in common that they all can directly motivate trade. What this document is SUPPOSED to be targeting as both its primary and secondary goal.
As for the guild-house, you have the right of it. It was a concept to ensure that unused resources are not ever truly unusable for lack of a buyer, and an easy means to find a resource should it of been abundant in the past.
((OOC: Just as a note, all instances where you borrow money worked out to paying back +2g more. Investments where implemented to improve the baseline capital by allowing a smaller return fee later on. And the NTA could profit from any transactions. Essentially 'the NTA treasury should increase as it is used' was my basic concept.))
While I do not like the leadership I suppose it is simpler. My intent with my original proposition was that the countries in power would be held in check by each other. Even if most every faction held a personal grudge against another, they would not be able to propagate it without truly convoluted efforts. But if you wish to drop that for a simpler system i can certainly support such a goal. A slight adjustment where the Guildleader makes the ultimate decisions but requires approval from at least one other individual for a given task may work well enough. You still do not list any reason or incentive to send our best personnel. That needs to be addressed in the final document.
((OOC: There is a massive mechanical disadvantage to sending RETINUES to these things, as if they are helping the NTA, they arn't helping your faction, training, ect. ))
"I think my largest issue is with this mysterious "Projects" Why does the NTA need to have explorers find resources for it? And what are the nature of these projects? Are they anything to be imagined? How is that different from borrowing money other than not having to pay it back? If a nation or a small cluster of nations are the only ones to benefit, I do not think it reasonable to allocate gold provided by other nations.
Also why does the NTA need explorers to search the lands near other peoples domains? Who decides where they explore? I would not be happy to discover an explorer found a vein of gold right at the edge of an uncontested Gurd boarder, and had decided to somehow acquire it for itself. Is it's duty to inform nearby nations of such windfalls? If so then what is to prevent a nation from sending it, if not to itself, then its closest allies? A system for dertermining where they would seek out resources in a fair manner is also needed."
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Grendel proposes changes to the revisement if it is to be implemented.
-A return to the original Fees section,
-Requested Addendum to Leadership section.
--Guild leader must get approval from one other person from a different faction.
--Incentives must be properly defined.
-Removal or clarification of "Projects" section, its intent, and purpose.
-Grendel ask for clarification of the purpose of NTA explore actions, and wishes to know why the NTA needs explorers to search lands that likely boarder other peoples lands.
--He would also reccomend that NTA exporers have a schedule for who they explore for next if not hired.
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Post by aspenivan on Feb 6, 2016 0:29:57 GMT
The Grand Mayor raised an eyebrow. "I see no need for many of these revisions. I believe his majesty Grendel's last proposal stood well on its own, except for the matter of governance as per Article Four, which should indeed be simplified. And the first point of the first Article, which I agree with her majesty Queen Chello is unnecessary. A bank is indeed a useful institution, more useful I would say than a standing army designed to protect routes we are all already quite capable of defending on our own. The flat fee is a good idea in my opinion, building up a respectable starting fund for the Alliance with which to disburse loans. I believe this is preferable to a per-season fee, which appears more like taxation than a mutual guild fund. By the same token, I am more inclined to support loans than grants, for the simple reason that this keeps the central bodies solvent without imposing tax-like authority over the membership. Should any special case arise where a member realm is truly so desperate as to require an outright grant, I am sure the other members can arrange one voluntarily.
"I believe this would address the noble Gormith's concerns at least in part. As for the issue of missionaries and converts, while I understand the concerns some nations have about internal stability, I see no grounds to allow passage for merchants and craftspeople and all other peaceful travelers without also allowing the free passage of missionaries. Unless they are fomenting treason or rebellion against the lieges of the land, why should they be persecuted?
"Finally, the matter of the Ryn I do believe is for bilateral negotiation as Chello has suggested. This organization does not exist to enforce one party or another in matters of conflicting claims of sovereignty. While we can and should prohibit tariffs and duties by members on fellow members, the river toll is not exactly a tariff or duty, is it? And even if we should decide to classify it as such, which I am not necessarily opposed to, why should Elon be compelled by the NTA to allow free river passage to parties outside the Alliance?"
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Post by talis on Feb 6, 2016 8:01:06 GMT
Gormith glanced around the room, still standing. He knew that Elon would object to losing their valuable tolls. Ishui's reluctance was less expected, but understandable. After all, if the precedent were set for the Ryn, no doubt the Gospodars and Ikegami would want the same rights on the Red River. Sujjid would have had a more long-term view of the situation, and Gormith made a mental note to recommend that the Elders support her family if the opportunity arose. He wondered how genuine their insistence on "bilateralism" was; he doubted they would speak the same was if the dispute came to violence.
"Free and assured passage along the Ryn is vital to Firetooth trade." Gormith explained, "Most of our trade comes from naval shipping. Caravans are neither as efficient nor as secure as naval shipping, and would run into the issue of passage, duties and tariffs even quicker. Besides which, trade with the Jotun and the South obviously requires naval access.
"Taxing this traffic puts the Firetooth at a competitive disadvantage compared to other nations, and will strangle trade to and from Thundercrown. Merchants will have little motivation to pay the tolls when they could instead trade at more accessible ports like Dovwyn, New Byrnis or Vinaya. We will lose money not just on the tolls themselves, but on the lost trade and opportunities from those who decline to work with us on account of them. Even the threat of the toll can influence trade as merchants look for more reliable routes where they can trade without the threat of a significant price increase occurring at any time.
"You want an organization that benefits all its members, Queen Chello, but Elon's toll is an act that benefits Elon at the expense of my Clan. I see no reason to join, when the result will be a loss for us, while New Byrnis and Elon pick up the trade no longer willing to travel up the Ryn."
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Post by missmilkmaid on Feb 6, 2016 18:56:58 GMT
Chello gave folded her hands and gave Gormith a small nod. "As I said, Elon has already send a diplomat to discuss the issue with your Elders and there is no tax being put upon you. While I think we all understand the import of this to clan, I think we can agree that the matter is something to be settled between Elon and Firetooth, since it is only our nations that are involved. Once a charter has been agreed upon, I will be willing sit down in negotiations between just the two of us and settle the matter if your people were not satisfied with how the issue currently stands. You can withhold your signature until an agreeable deal between us has been reached if you like, but please stay for the time being. Your input will be appreciated, even if your have made no promise to join."
Giving another nod to Gormith, Chello turned her attention back to Grendel. "I would like to start by addressing the projects. I believe Ikegami Naozumi will back me up on this. One of the original purposes of this alliance was to help build up smaller nations without putting them into debt and to actively build up commercial infrastructure across the north, focusing resources on areas that will create greater bursts of economy for the whole continent. Compared to the return nations will make off the expansion of trade routs and expanded infrastructure all across the north, one or even two thousand jinn a season will not be very much."
((OOC: if we can get the legacy guys we will be making +1 gold for every rout with a member, so just having two trading partners in the NTA will pay back the fee and give profit. The projects would be the most efficient way to make sure we achieve the legacy as fast as possible, by focusing funds on finding luxuries and establishing routs so that everyone has at least two or three trade deals with other members as soon as possible. Also, as the current game rules stand, nations can only discover new resources by using an explorer retinue. Nations with low splendor may not be able to get access to an explorer and so never be able to discover new resources. With the NTA having an Explorer in office, nations can choose to hire an explorer for a season without filling up a retinue slot. The more resources nations have available the more we will have on the market, so making it easier for members to discover resources will be beneficial for all of us.))
"Further I still have my doubts on how much nations shall utilize the NTA as a bank and if it is not put to regular use, the NTA won't be bringing in much money. Regular fees will give the NTA a stable and reliable source of funding, upon which we can construct longterm plans, which out the anxiety of not knowing when or if the alliance will have the money to carry those plans forward. While I think the function of a bank can be useful, I do not think it should be the NTA's primary roll or the primary means of NTA funding."
"The projects that are undertaken should be exclusively related to trade and commerce and selected based on their value to the alliance as a whole, not projects that exclusively benefit one nation. Also projects should be spread around and not focused on only a handful of nations. Over the course of a couple years every nation should be able to host a project, depending on the amount of funding available and what projects are getting proposed. Most of this would be the responsibility of the giuldmaster and a giuldmaster that does not fairly administrate these responsibilities should not be reelected to the position. Adding guidelines and rules to the kinds of projects that may be accepted would be beneficial, but I would not have this function done away with."
"Having an explorer in office will be extremely beneficial. Helping members discover more resources and luxuries to bring to market and to build up infrastructure will give us a great advantage on the world market. The NTA would not taking the resources for itself, so do not fear that will will be competing with members, or taking them out from under you, King Grendal. The Explorer would be a retainer nations could hire, or, as a project, the NTA may send the explorer to look for resources that are in high demand and then inform all member nations near by, so that the desired resource may be quickly claimed and developed. In this way members will be able to find and settle resources faster than nations outside the alliance, which will give us a defiant edge on the northern market."
"Adding a secondary giuldmaster or primary advisor to both keep a check upon the giuldmaster and fill his or her roll, should the giuldmaster be unavailable I think would a wise addition to the offices and the function of leadership."
"As for turning the NTA into a bank, I do not have an issue with us giving out loans, as long as we are not completely dependent upon the collection of those loans and interest for a stable flow of funding. It is my opinion, however, that if we are going to lend money and it will be fairly paid back with interest, we should not limit the ways in which that money is spent. For the purpose of grants and projects, obviously funds should only be used to further the goals of the whole of the NTA, but a loan that comes with a promise of repayment should not have so many strings attached."
((OOC on the matter of retinues. I think the explorer and emissary would get paid on commission the Giuldmaster and Treasure may receive a small salary for the year they serve, but I think this helps balance the power the giuldmaster gets. Getting to control the NTA for a year may mean sacrificing some benefits in your home nation. This may help keep one nation from trying to keep control of the office for as long as they can and so deter the dreaded block of power we've been worrying about))
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Revisment
Fees
Keep the 1/season fee for the sake of stable and reliable funding and funding for projects.
Leadership
- Add the office of Prime Advisor to be backup to the giuldmaster and who would have the power of veto on giuldmaster decisions. (Same retinue qualifications as the giuldmaster)
- Explorer and Emmisary would work on commission receiving 2 to 4 gold every season they work on NTA behalf. Exact payment to be determined by individual qualifications (Traits basically. Some retinues have much better traits than others for these purposes).
- Treasurer, Giuldmaster and Prime advisor receive a salary equal to membership fees (1/season).
Projects
Projects are kept, but may be clarified to limit the type of projects undertaken to those that exclusively contribute to resource development, trade and commerce and that benefit the alliance as a whole.
Explorer
Any resources discovered would be open to development by any member nation near at hand and all nations would be informed of discoveries, even if they are not close to the location.
Explorers will only explore if hired by a nation, or as part of a proposed and approved project. If neither a commission nor a project has need of them, they may return to their home nation, until called upon again.
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Post by dragonlord7012 on Feb 8, 2016 20:34:42 GMT
Grendel crossed his arms and leaned back in the chair.
"While the issues of the Firetooth may in actuality be able to be resolved in private, They have been brought up here. And I find myself in agreement. So long as a member is part of the NTA, I cannot see a reason that one nation should be allowed to charge them passage. I already made my points on the matter, and I do not wish to find myself becoming repetitive. Charging a member nations anything beyond what you would charge your own merchants passage strikes against the very nature of welcome trade. And the Gurd will advocate against it, it may be argue that it is "placing abhorrent limitations" or some other such nonsense, on how people govern themselves. But i will simply state that by the very nature of signing an agreement, you are governing your people, but in a way that is mutually beneficial upon by multiple nations, in order to facilitate each other for a greater gain. A small sliver of authority sacrificed in order to have several other do the same.
Agreements are not made to facilitate the happiness of all, but instead the benefit of all."
((OOC: -1g being +1 g doesnt matter much when it could of been +3g. And every person joining gives another trade route and +1g to EVERYONE))
"As for the rest, i think i've seen to the crux of the problem. And I will state it simply. The manner in which some have described the authority of the NTA is far too broad. Loans for any reason, Projects that may become vast in nature and that act as a sink for funds. If we allow for spending without strict limitations, and with broad interpretations, it is inevitable that we will find ourselves unable to fund all of them. The correction for this is not to take more funds constantly this only acts to feed the symptoms, and not the disease. The correction is to keep the funds from being paupered in the first place.
Because of this I will argue, we need to remove the Projects section. It is well and far beyond the scope of a TRADE AGREEMENT. " he says pointedly. "We do not need a body that acts as a government, to spend money as its current manager dictates. We are, all of us, perfectly capable of acting without a neutral third party to do it for us. If one of our partners should find themselves stricken by disaster, are we as a combined people so heartless as to ignore their plight? As a body all of us would be unwilling to aid them? I would say we are not. We do not need to give a Trade Alliance powers well beyond its scope for that. Banks are perfectly capable of maintaining operation without outside funding so long as they are not mismanaged. You say the money should not have strings attached, I can't fault this, it is easier to track what is owed instead of how funds are spent, but let us not make a monster incapable of sustaining itself.
If only six nations sign the agreement, with my original proposition, the funds would stand at a strong 30,000 gold pieces. That is more than enough to get its basic functions started even without any other investments into it. "
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Grendel proposes the following.
Funding:
-No fees/tarrif/taxes/levies/etc, and whatever you wish to call it. may be charged in the baseline cost for traders for any that belongs to the NTA faction.
-Funds are given without attachments, but are to be payed back 4g per every 3g lent. (And only lent in domination of 3g)
--investing still covers the repayment fee by 4g per every 3g invested.
-Remove the 1g/turn fee.
Projects
-Remove the Projects section, it is a gold sink, and far too broad in the scope of a Trade Agreement.
A side note is added by Grendel;
Explorers are to rotate which nation/region they explore for on a given turn if not so hired out. They are to prioritize areas not contested by two competing NTA nations if at all possible. (An explorer searching for Firetooth would search on a non- NTA boarder instead of their Southern, as it might cause a conflict of interest between Elon/Firetooth)
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Post by ravigen on Feb 10, 2016 4:43:28 GMT
Naozumi leaned back in his chair, the talks had certainly gone in an unexpected if not undesired direction. He couldn't say he hadn't gotten the debate he wanted.
"I will tentatively back Grendel's proposal, certainly if the future changes, if we need to implement such a 'projects' department of this alliance then we can negotiate the specifics then when the situation arises. Let us start simple, none of us know how the future will play out but we will prepare for such challenges when they arrive." |
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Post by missmilkmaid on Feb 10, 2016 21:25:57 GMT
Chello looked over at Naozumi, annoyed that he would abandon the plans for alliance projects so easily. It had been the core of their original charter and building up the commercial infrastructure of the north as a whole had been one of the primary reasons they'd decided to found this alliance. Implementing it at the beginning of the alliance when nations were in more desperate need of new constructs, resources and established routs was by far more practical than putting it off to a time when those nations that could afford to build up their own infrastructure had already done so and those that could not had already fallen so far behind so as to be at a permanent disadvantage.
"I am not so ready to abandon the plans for Alliance projects or the fees necessary to fund them," she said, "I feel they will do much more good in the long run than a bank that may end up pulling members into debt, or simply sitting upon resources and gold keeping them out of wider circulation. I think many nations are underestimating the greater good construction projects in allied nations will do for the north in general. A ship can only float so high without the greater tide of its surroundings rising as well."
"I propose that the projects and accompanying alliance fees be put to a wider vote, before anyone signs a the charter." She hoped that Ikegami would support the idea if it were put to a vote, or at least that some of the more quite nations present would support the idea."
((Is a mod going to play Ontare and Hiaho? Just because the players bowed out shouldn't mean their representatives disappeared from this meeting. Also, Frost did say Wolfwyrd intended on being here, so whichever mod is taking them over should have them be present at the meeting as well.))
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Post by dragonlord7012 on Feb 12, 2016 7:27:53 GMT
Grendel shuffled the papers he'd been working on in a single stack before him.
"Before we vote then I would say my last piece I think. "
"If the constructions of projects is something rare, then I see no reason to include such rules and regulations in a trade agreement at this time. The details of their execution can be resolved by members on a particular issue. Without, "he emphasized, "the inclusion of a convenient method to withdraw against the treasurey of the whole, while also conveniently being able to bypass repayment, and even approval should whoever in charge at the time be amiable, or possible among those who benefits."
"If we plan around it being easy to permission to spend funds, then we will find those funds rapidly depleted.
One solution is to tax the member nations the funds will either run out, or will not serve all its members equally as some simply fail to get funding. One solution is to increase this tax, but that will quickly drive away all but the most fervent, who could of simply worked together to pay for projects in a manner I spoke of earlier.
My people certainly have no interested in paying taxes to anyone who has interest other than their own at heart.
As an alternative to taxes, you may charge back with a fee the money lent for projects, but then their is no reason why you do not simply loan out to several countries as individuals and letting them sort it out. Just as you would if they where spending the money on their own interests. This is already included by your suggestion of removal of limitations on spending, and is in fact perfectly attainable without any projects section.
He said finishing he cup of tea, and waving off a refill.
"At any rate you can vote upon whatever you wish, but the Gurd won't take part of such a blatantly wasteful proposition. In time when economies are stronger, a something greater may be built upon the foundation we might set. But first, that foundation must be settled, and it must find firm purchase before we can attempt to build upon it safely.
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Post by aspenivan on Feb 12, 2016 21:07:01 GMT
"Once again, I agree with the noble Mage Grendel," the Grand Mayor of New Byrnis affirmed. "While the projects section was appropriate during Imperial times, when the Northern kingdoms were constrained by Imperial law and taxes, now there is no such mutual adversity. While noble in intention, the projects section is simply unfeasible without forcing undue taxes upon the membership. And as others have pointed out, if there is a time when grants are necessary, we may deal with it ad hoc. Such action need not be formalized in the charter.
"Again, my vote is for an NTA with a signing fee, a common bank, and prohibitions on tariffs and duties among members. I vote nay on repeated fees, project grants, and a military branch. And as for governance, I believe an NTA with no army and no free project spending needs only minimal oversight. A simple council of one delegate from each member realm to manage the bank would suffice."
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Post by dragonlord7012 on Feb 27, 2016 7:36:29 GMT
A long time passed as various parties debated, Gendrel spoke up once more.
"If no one else wishes to bring up more issues, I propose the following. Given the length of this conference thus far, If no one have anything they wish to contest. I would like to bring it to a vote."
====== Adjusted Proposal==========
Article I) -Trade-
1a)Nations will use standardized currency.
1b) The standard for currency must be attainable by each individual nation, and cannot be controlled by any one group.
2) NO fees/tolls/Tariffs/Taxes/Etc in excess to the normal costs all traders undergo are to be charged to passing merchants from factions within the NTA))
((No chageing against routes from other members of the NTA. No abiguity on this matter, It will just cause headaches later on, and safeguarding and encouraging trade is kind of the point. ))
3: Given the choice between a non-alliance trade route, and an alliance trade route, the alliance trade route is to be treated as preferable.
Article II) -Treasury and Fees-
1.)To join the NTA a flat fee of 6g must be paid. If a faction leaves and then returns, it must be paid again.
2.)Members may borrow from the NTA funds.
3a)Funds are allocated in 3g increments, and repayment is 4g.
3b)Repayment should be made in a timely manner, as determined by the officers in charge.
4.)Alliance members may invest 3g to reduce the excess amount they must repay at a later date by 4g. This only covers the overhead cost, and not the baseline repayment.
/* Normally you pay back 4g. if you invested, you pay back only 3g. This effectively causes the repaymen on 12g to be 15g instead of 16g because you made those funds available ahead of time.*/
5.) The NTA Guildmaster may choose to hold those who deprive the NTA funds accountable, and apply a 1g tarrif to all routes they have with NTA nations.
Article III) -Guildhouse-
1: Proposes the formation of Alliance Guild house.
2: Non-Perishable and non-slot Resources (Stone/Wood) can be sold to the guild house automatically at a set price of 2g each automatically each turn as funding allows. This purchase uses the funds from the Alliance as available. Alliance members may purchase these resources from the Guild-house for 3g each supply permitting. Non-Alliance factions may purchase these so long as they posses a trade route with a guild-house for the price of 4g each supply permitting.
3: All profits from these transaction goes into the NTA Treasury.
Article IV) -Leadership- ((I've edited this, please read))
1: Propose the following offices: Guildmaster (Merchant, Ambassador or Administrator), Treasurer (Merchant or Administrator), Chief Explorer (Explorer), NTA Emissary (Merchant, Spymaster or Ambassador),
The rolls and responsibilities will be as follows:
- NTA Guildmaster: May put halt to actions of other offices if necisarry. May set forth objectives for NTA offices.
- NTA Explorer Office. The Chief Explorer holds office and undertakes explorations given by the NTA guildmaster. Other exploration retinues may offer thier services to the NTA. Member nations may offer up a fee for this service and thereafter utilize explorers on their own behalf. The Chief explorer is in charge of which nation is given explorers based upon available resources. May veto exploration and scouting options if they are not in the interst of the NTA.
((Explores basically can come here if your not using them, and get hired out by other NTA nations earning you money. Chief explorer handles these assignments.))
- NTA Treasury: Responsible for the lending, and collecting of funds. Negotiates repayment dates, and any other powers necessary to correctly carry out the well ordered movements of funds. May veto actions of other offices if there is no clear avenue for recovery, or such action would be too costly.
- NTA Emissary: Assist in negotiations on the NTA’s behalf and reach out to non-member nations with invitations and proposals. Mediate quarrels and differences between member nations, be alert for rumors that may lead to threats to the NTA and investigate claims that may justify boycotts or ostracizing a member, collecting unbiased evidence. May be hired as an emissary by member nations. May veto actions of other offices, if they threaten internal relations of members, or damage the diplomatic ability of the NTA as a whole..
((Existing PC retinues may be elected and will remain under the control of their native nation's player. There needs to be guildmaster, other offices can be added as needed in the future. If nominated and elected, there may be multiple officers of all offices except the Guildmaster. If any offices remain completely unfilled and the NTA has determined to activate the office, all but the Guildmaster may be filled by NPCs, which will be controlled by the same player controlling the Guildmaster. NPC officers automatically loose to nominated PC retinues in elections.))
2: Retinues from any member nation may be nominated for election.
3: Any member nation may nominate a candidate.
4: Elections will be decided by a electoral counsel made of a board comprised of representatives from half of the members rounded up to the nearest odd number and never exceeding
5: The electoral counsel will vote on candidates for all offices once a year.
6: Every year the representative on the electoral counsel will be shifted with one representative getting dismissed and one being added. This shall be done on a rotation so that each member nations gets to serve on the counsel in turn.
Article V) -Meetings-
1: Once a year all NTA members must send a representative to participate in alliance officer elections and to vote on any outstanding issues that are beyond the authority of the the guild officers.
2: Any nation that does not participate for 3 years in a row will be excluded from taking a guild office.
Article VI) -Joining-
All factions, peoples, and faiths that do not have outstanding debt to the Trade alliance may join it, this cannot be changed by any means.
Article VII) -War-
1a.) Should two internal factions within the NTA conflict the agressor may not take up a Council Chair until the mater is resolved.
1b.) An "Agressor" is defined for the purpose of this doccument as a nation with an army active, or recently active in the domain of another nation.
1c.) Shoud an aggressor nation be on the council at such a time, they must immediately step down.
2.) The council may not vote in policies that clearly favor one waring member faction over the other member faction, until both nations boarders are secure.
3.) Due to the nature of war, it is the onus of each nation to decide if they wish to send merchants into warzones.
Article IIX) -Addendum-
1.) A summit of nations may add or alter the items listed herein as needed. The items that can be added may ONLY involve trade, or commerce in some shape or form, or must contribute to the overall ability to function profitably with other nations.
2.) Peaceful retinues, such as Priests, Healing mages, Merchants, etc. Cannot be executed without provable crime, and may only be arrested and extradited if found within boarders.
2a.) Extraditement must be done in a timely manner, and abuse during the process may be met with fines to be set at a later date.
2b.) For the purpose of this doccument, "Crime" must be determined by a neutral third party nation, must include a willful breaking of the law, and cannot include auto-incriminating items, such as a merchant trading with an enemy nation, A healer using magic to restore health, A priest telling others of their faith, etc et al.
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The Gurd do not have anything to contest, and vote ratify.
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Post by longshot393 on Feb 27, 2016 9:00:32 GMT
The Thrum have no contest and vote to ratify
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Post by ravigen on Feb 29, 2016 1:14:24 GMT
Naozumi nodded, for a starting charter it would work and they could make changes as they needed in the future.
"I have no contest and vote to ratify." |
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Post by aspenivan on Feb 29, 2016 1:36:59 GMT
"I vote to ratify as well," spoke the Grand Mayor. As much as negotiations had been helpful, it was time to be done with this affair. The treaty was good enough as it stood, as far as the interests of the Free City were concerned.
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Post by missmilkmaid on Mar 15, 2016 6:50:25 GMT
It was vastly different from what she had expected at the beginning of the summit and while it tasted a little bitter to have to put aside so many of the ideas she had worked on over the years, there was still merit in the proposal and it would still be a big step forward for the north.
"On behalf of Elon I vote to ratify the proposal."
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Sarena Bara'Dodce, the repersentative from the Wolfwyrd Clan had come in quietly at the beginning and not spoken durring most of the meetings. Turmoil in the north had kept Lukene from coming herself and Sarene had not felt qualified to speak wisely on Wolfwyrd's behalf during any of the debates. However she could find no reason that this proposal would greatly displease the Lukene or the rest of the clan. "On behalf of the Wolfwyrd Clan I will ratify and sign this proposal," she said, her orcish voice sounding surprisingly deep, as she spoke from her place in the back of the room.
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Post by talis on Mar 16, 2016 2:30:50 GMT
"The Firetooth must abstain from joining the league at this time."
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